This can't be true!!

[Whitelightning777]

He's saying that all tarantulas from Brazil are illegal. I'm still confused as to whether it applies to the United States or not.

By the way, sorry I've been away for a while, cell phone issues to retarded to get into.

 

[Metalman2004]

It does indeed seem to effect the US. So far one large online seller has already changed their site accordingly. I’m interested to see if others follow suit and what is to come.

 

[Enn49]

The way I understand it is that it is illegal for any tarantulas to be exported from Brazil. It doesn't mean it is illegal to buy or own CB tarantulas from stock already outside of the country.

 

[Metalman2004]

The way I understand it is that it is illegal for any tarantulas to be exported from Brazil. It doesn't mean it is illegal to buy or own CB tarantulas from stock already outside of the country.

My understsnding was that US law says offspring of poached animals are also illegal in the US, whether the offspring were poached as well or bred in a different country after the parents were poached. I certainly don’t know for sure, but I’m interested to see what happens next.

 

[Enn49]

My understsnding was that US law says offspring of poached animals are also illegal in the US, whether the offspring were poached as well or bred in a different country after the parents were poached. I certainly don’t know for sure, but I’m interested to see what happens next.

They would have to prove that though and that is nigh on impossible.

 

[Metalman2004]

They would have to prove that though and that is nigh on impossible.

You’re right. That is why I would speculate that the T seledonia import was seized, but none of the other species have been messed with. Its pretty clear that the T seladonia in the hobby, or at least their parents, were poached since there was no legal way to export them when they showed up in other countries. There would be virtually no possible way to prove that with other species.

 

[Tortoise Tom]

There would be virtually no possible way to prove that with other species.

This won't stop the folks who run the animal enforcement branches of our government. They do whatever they want, whenever they want. They are as corrupt and tyrannical as any other criminal you might encounter. Their behavior in recent years can only be described as despicable. The stories I could tell you...

 

[MassExodus]

This won't stop the folks who run the animal enforcement branches of our government. They do whatever they want, whenever they want. They are as corrupt and tyrannical as any other criminal you might encounter. Their behavior in recent years can only be described as despicable. The stories I could tell you...

Agreed. That goes for almost every US government agency that's ever existed, unfortunately. I dont think we should worry just yet though. The last thing we need is a bunch of keepers to get caught at borders with vials of G pulchra stuffed in their asses. They already think we're weird, folks!

 

[Rs50matt]

I don't know if anyone's seen a review of this but when tarantuladan made the video the understanding was that seledonia and 2 other species were now illegal to own (don't know which ones)
From what I've seen now it only effects the US and it's not making it illegal to own them but under some government act it is illegal to send or take certain species across borders and state lines. I'll try find the thread that I've seen

 

[Whitelightning777]

I think it's just national borders not local jurisdictions but who knows? Maybe filing a motion to go across state lines might be a good idea if it could be organized into some type of defense fund.

At some point, exotic pet owners especially with inverts, will have to organize like the NRA does with guns to defend our interests or the a PETA/ALF social justice warriors will take away and kill off all our pets.

 

[Metalman2004]

I think it's just national borders not local jurisdictions but who knows? Maybe filing a motion to go across state lines might be a good idea if it could be organized into some type of defense fund.

At some point, exotic pet owners especially with inverts, will have to organize like the NRA does with guns to defend our interests or the a PETA/ALF social justice warriors will take away and kill off all our pets.

With the recent and potential future happenings with Poec species I’d say you are correct. This hobby if doomed if we don’t organize. Full disclosure, I won’t be planning a march on Washington anytime soon, but I’d be happy to contribute funds to the cause.

 

[Rs50matt]

With the recent and potential future happenings with Poec species I’d say you are correct. This hobby if doomed if we don’t organize. Full disclosure, I won’t be planning a march on Washington anytime soon, but I’d be happy to contribute funds to the cause.

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) has posted their final rule regarding five species of Sri Lankan tarantulas. The species below will be listed under the Endangered Species Act (ESA). The rule becomes effective on August 30, 2018.

1. Poecilotheria fasciata;
2. P. ornata;
3. P. smithi;
4. P. subfusca;
5. P. vittata.

Summary regarding the future domestic trade of these species. The below activities are prohibited under ESA:

■ Interstate and foreign commercial activity;
■ Selling or offering for sale in interstate or foreign commerce;
■ Import or export (without a permit from FWS for conservation purposes);
■ Possess, ship, deliver, carry, transport, sell or receive unlawfully taken wildlife.

Intrastate Commerce and Possession are legal:

Commercial activities that take place entirely in one state involving legally acquired and captive-bred endangered or threatened species are not prohibited by the ESA. This means you may keep and/or breed ESA-listed species (although state laws may apply). No CBW permit (see below) is required for intrastate activity.

Offer for Sale (interstate activity):

Endangered and threatened species may be advertised for sale but the advertisement must state that no sale may not occur until an interstate commerce permit (Captive Bred Wildlife, or CBW, permit) has been obtained from the Service for both parties involved.

Read the full post (19 pages) from FWS in the Federal Register at http://usark.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/ESA-2018-Sri-Lanka-Tarantulas-final-rule-1.pdf.


This what you mean with the pokies?

 

[Tortoise Tom]

With the recent and potential future happenings with Poec species I’d say you are correct. This hobby if doomed if we don’t organize. Full disclosure, I won’t be planning a march on Washington anytime soon, but I’d be happy to contribute funds to the cause.

We have an organization, but not many contribute to it. US ARK. http://usark.org

Problem is that ignorant people with good intentions toward animals donate 80 million to PETA every year and PETA uses that money to hire lobbyists and lawyers to ban our hobby and my profession. Its a one sided fight. I gotta go to work every day, while their job is to end pet ownership and anything to do with animals. By comparison US ARK gets something like $65,000 in annual donations. By the time people are pissed off enough to do anything about it, the fight will be over. Meanwhile the MSM propaganda machine keeps corrupting the minds of decent people everywhere and convincing them that disciplining your dog makes you some sort of evil villain and Zoos are the work of Satan himself. You are some sort of awful heathen if you still eat meat. I could go on and on… Essentially, socialism has infected the world for the third time, and its probably going to take another world war to stop it again.

 

[Rs50matt]

Theirs a difference between genuine hobbyists and poachers. I don't know myself but I'd imagine a majority of the Ts in the hobby are bred by other owners and if anything that is keeping numbers up in the wild and if they were to become critical surely hobbyists can contribute to the reintroduction to the wild and help boost numbers. Or does this make too much sense? I mean realistically does a tarantula know it's a pet?

 

[Metalman2004]

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) has posted their final rule regarding five species of Sri Lankan tarantulas. The species below will be listed under the Endangered Species Act (ESA). The rule becomes effective on August 30, 2018.

1. Poecilotheria fasciata;
2. P. ornata;
3. P. smithi;
4. P. subfusca;
5. P. vittata.

Summary regarding the future domestic trade of these species. The below activities are prohibited under ESA:

■ Interstate and foreign commercial activity;
■ Selling or offering for sale in interstate or foreign commerce;
■ Import or export (without a permit from FWS for conservation purposes);
■ Possess, ship, deliver, carry, transport, sell or receive unlawfully taken wildlife.

Intrastate Commerce and Possession are legal:

Commercial activities that take place entirely in one state involving legally acquired and captive-bred endangered or threatened species are not prohibited by the ESA. This means you may keep and/or breed ESA-listed species (although state laws may apply). No CBW permit (see below) is required for intrastate activity.

Offer for Sale (interstate activity):

Endangered and threatened species may be advertised for sale but the advertisement must state that no sale may not occur until an interstate commerce permit (Captive Bred Wildlife, or CBW, permit) has been obtained from the Service for both parties involved.

Read the full post (19 pages) from FWS in the Federal Register at http://usark.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/ESA-2018-Sri-Lanka-Tarantulas-final-rule-1.pdf.


This what you mean with the pokies?

Thats the one

 

[Metalman2004]

We have an organization, but not many contribute to it. US ARK. http://usark.org

Problem is that ignorant people with good intentions toward animals donate 80 million to PETA every year and PETA uses that money to hire lobbyists and lawyers to ban our hobby and my profession. Its a one sided fight. I gotta go to work every day, while their job is to end pet ownership and anything to do with animals. By comparison US ARK gets something like $65,000 in annual donations. By the time people are pissed off enough to do anything about it, the fight will be over. Meanwhile the MSM propaganda machine keeps corrupting the minds of decent people everywhere and convincing them that disciplining your dog makes you some sort of evil villain and Zoos are the work of Satan himself. You are some sort of awful heathen if you still eat meat. I could go on and on… Essentially, socialism has infected the world for the third time, and its probably going to take another world war to stop it again.

I had no idea about US ARK. I’ll have to give them a look.

I may be a heathen and I definitely eat meat (picking up a 1/4 cow Friday for the freezer) but I’m not so sure those things are connected.

 

[Tortoise Tom]

I had no idea about US ARK. I’ll have to give them a look.

I may be a heathen and I definitely eat meat (picking up a 1/4 cow Friday for the freezer) but I’m not so sure those things are connected.

Well I agree with you, but half the country has a list of insults and ugly names for us because we don't agree with their socialism.

I attend a tortoise conference in Phoenix every year and Phil Goss, the President of US ARK, has been there to address the crowd and keep us up to date on US ARK's efforts to help people who keep animals as pets. The man is exceptionally well spoken and articulate. He is a first rate spokesman for our cause. I endorse and support him and his organization 100%. He is the best chance I know of at slowing down the animal rights tide as far as reptiles and inverts are concerned.