Lacey Act ban on Brazilian species..

[IamKrush]

so aparently the lacey act put a ban on the sale or purchase acrossed statelines all Brazlian sp
How ever I believe instate sales are allowed. I'm trying to find a link but it's mostly peoples posting their opinions on it.

 

[Metalman2004]

so aparently the lacey act put a ban on the sale or purchase acrossed statelines all Brazlian sp
How ever I believe instate sales are allowed. I'm trying to find a link but it's mostly peoples posting their opinions on it.

I agree, its really tough to find the legal statements and then interpret them. I loom forward to seeing it all sorted out though.

 

[Whitelightning777]

I think we should get in touch with our senators and congressmen. Basically this means that Brazil is regulating spiders that are 100% born and bred in America.

What ever happened to America first?

Time to get political on them or try to win an injunction in court or organize a defense fund.

 

[PanzoN88]

I posted a link somewhere on here with a statement on Facebook from palp friction on the subject. Someone posted the same link on ab as well. The statement is mainly about T. seladonia being illegal, but it discusses much of what you stated.

 

[Whitelightning777]

Like Trump or not, the present administration is very concerned about regulatory and environmental excesses, especially those that offer zero protection and harm small businesses. Heck, send a letter to the White House while you're at it.

 

[Whitelightning777]

If Brazil wants to tax every tarantula $25 to export, fine. The ban on spiders that are bred and born wholly in America essentially violates the sovereignty of America and subjects Americans to the law of a foreign country within America. Hopefully some politician can address this. It's a bigger problem then one tarantula. If they can do that on one thing, why not anything?

 

[IamKrush]

I think we should get in touch with our senators and congressmen. Basically this means that Brazil is regulating spiders that are 100% born and bred in America.

What ever happened to America first?

Time to get political on them or try to win an injunction in court or organize a defense fund.

But yet Brazil is ok with the distruction of their forests. Go figure

 

[IamKrush]

I posted a link somewhere on here with a statement on Facebook from palp friction on the subject. Someone posted the same link on ab as well. The statement is mainly about T. seladonia being illegal, but it discusses much of what you stated.

Yeah I saw their post as well on their page. I was trying to find info given out on it from the lacey act page itself.

 

[IamKrush]

I think this is a shameful move by the Brazilian government, clearly about money and nothing else... Tiny spiders selling for £500+ is what the real issue is not conservation... SMH

Exactly. I mean as I stated in my comment to whitelighting. They destroy their own forests for money. They dont care about the animals

 

[IamKrush]

If Brazil wants to tax every tarantula $25 to export, fine. The ban on spiders that are bred and born wholly in America essentially violates the sovereignty of America and subjects Americans to the law of a foreign country within America. Hopefully some politician can address this. It's a bigger problem then one tarantula. If they can do that on one thing, why not anything?

I pretty sure the ban is world wide. How ever I could be mistaken. Maybe out fellow keepers outside the States could answer that.

 

[IamKrush]

Like Trump or not, the present administration is very concerned about regulatory and environmental excesses, especially those that offer zero protection and harm small businesses. Heck, send a letter to the White House while you're at it.

I thought america was suppose to be great again? There's also a recent ban on certain pokies

 

[PanzoN88]

I thought america was suppose to be great again? There's also a recent ban on certain pokies

JAJAJAJAJA!!!!!!!! dios ayudame por favor (I choked on my biscuit when I read your great post). Forum post of the year. Couldn't agree more with your post.

After reading some old posts on ab, I think a bad spotlight was already on the hobby long before these two laws. The aspiring dictator and full time thug in the white house doesn't care about what happens with these recent laws because he doesn't benefit from it. The government as a whole won't budge (Republicans especially). Not trying to be political, but this is just the reality of the situation. All we can hope for is that a compromise can be reached between the usfws and the groups who represent hobbyists like ourselves. In short all we can do is wait and see what happens.

 

[IamKrush]

JAJAJAJAJA!!!!!!!! dios ayudame por favor (I choked on my biscuit when I read your great post). Forum post of the year. Couldn't agree more with your post.

After reading some old posts on ab, I think a bad spotlight was already on the hobby long before these two laws. The aspiring dictator and full time thug in the white house doesn't care about what happens with these recent laws because he doesn't benefit from it. The government as a whole won't budge (Republicans especially). Not trying to be political, but this is just the reality of the situation. All we can hope for is that a compromise can be reached between the usfws and the groups who represent hobbyists like ourselves. In short all we can do is wait and see what happens.

I'm glad to hear you enjoyed my post. Sorry it almost killed you ,haha.
I agree. The only way to make the parties at hand to in our favor is to throw money at them. Enough money makes things happen sad to say.
I'm not sure how regulated they will watch things. But im sure if people kept moving CB Ts here it will go unnoticed.
Tarantulas along with other arachnids and bugs get looked down on or hated for no reason other then uneducated fear. So its not like we will have a pubic out cry to make a proper change for this ban to go away.

 

[Metalman2004]

It seems there is some misunderstanding of the laws in question here. The Lacey Act has been US law since 1900. Among other things it makes wildlife illegal in the US that other countries say it is illegal to export. Furthermore, Brazil’s law restricting wildlife export went into effect in 1999. Neither of these laws are new. It is my understanding that it was the US that stopped the T seledonia import, not the Brazilians (I could be wrong on that). They are simply enforcing a law thats been on the books for decades.

The ESA has been around since 1973. There has been almost no pushback on this law from politicians on either side that i can see until now. The Trump administration is apparently working to gut the law, allbeit for special interests (no surprise there). Despite that, there is widespread support for the ESA from the vast majority of politicians and the US population in general.

The bottom line is none of this is new. Us tarantula hobbyists are up in arms now because it is finally effecting us. Nothing has changed for decades, and it sure won’t change because the smallest sector of the pet trade doesn’t like what is happening. The left’s special interest groups would rather us not keep tarantulas as pets at all (ie Wildearth Guardians and PETA) and the right doesn’t care because its not industrial scale pet sales.

Sorry to be matter-of-fact but thats the way it is and it isn’t going to change...

PS if you have time, do some googling on the Lacey Act and all the ways its been abused and misinterpreted.

 

[Whitelightning777]

I have and it's horrific.

Still, Trump had been very critical of ineffective green laws that harm small businesses. Tarantula breeders and others fit that definition perfectly.

I think we should begin compiling a list of agencies and names that can get both snail mail and email. If several dozen or even over 100 people complain, sometimes the bureaucrats will respond.

And it's a valid argument. How do animals that are kept in all 50 States (maybe not Hawaii) and that can have 50 to 500 offspring at a time endangered of extinction when most of the offspring generally survive?

Have these guys ever even seen an incubator filled with hundreds of 2nd instar slings? Doubtful.

How does harassing pet owners keep do much as one tarantula in Brazil or Sri Lanka alive? It doesn't.

How does interstate sales of spiders with such a high reproductive rate contribute to smuggling all the way from native countries? Once there is a viable breeding population here--problem solved!!

I'm all for protecting endangered species, but that requires actually keeping them alive where they live.

Forcing each domestic pet population into only one state reduces the generic diversity of these populations and through inbreeding damages the gene pool of the pet population.

When breeders can select any male or female from and state, the bloodlines remain vibrant.

These laws don't just cause economic and liberty related harm, they create bottlenecks genetically that are bound to show up later.