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<blockquote data-quote="Martin Oosthuysen" data-source="post: 31052" data-attributes="member: 1070"><p>Here I will just add some fun things and experiences and my personal view on the genus,my personal views aren't rules or laws but from a perspective of a normal hobbyist.</p><p></p><p>Type species: Avicularia avicularia</p><p></p><p>Transferred to other genera:</p><p>Avicularia annulipes → Euoplos annulipes(Idiopidae)</p><p>Avicularia anthracina → Grammostola antracina</p><p>Avicularia aureoceps → Brachypelma aureoceps</p><p>Avicularia bistriata → Ephebopus murinus</p><p>Avicularia borelli → Grammostola borelli</p><p>Avicularia brunnipes → Kochiana brunnipes</p><p>Avicularia caniceps → Aphonopelma caniceps</p><p>Avicularia conspersa → Rachias conspersus(Nemesiidae)</p><p>Avicularia cyaneopubescens → Chromatopelma cyaneopubescens</p><p>Avicularia deborrii (Becker, 1879) →Tapinauchenius plumipes</p><p>Avicularia dubia → Vitalius dubius</p><p>Avicularia duplex → Aphonopelma duplex</p><p>Avicularia embrithes → Brachypelma embrithes</p><p>Avicularia emilia → Brachypelma emilia</p><p>Avicularia epicureana → Brachypelma epicureanum</p><p>Avicularia geotoma → Aphonopelma geotoma</p><p>Avicularia guyana → Eupalaestrus guyanus</p><p>Avicularia hageni → Aphonopelma hageni</p><p>Avicularia helluo → Aphonopelma helluo</p><p>Avicularia hespera → Aphonopelma hesperum</p><p>Avicularia imperatrix → Plesiopelma imperatrix</p><p>Avicularia lanceolata → Aphonopelma lanceolatum</p><p>Avicularia latens → Aphonopelma latens</p><p>Avicularia magdalena (Karsch, 1879) →Hapalopus formosus</p><p>Avicularia marxi → Aphonopelma marxi</p><p>Avicularia mendozae → Grammostola mendozae</p><p>Avicularia mesomelas → Megaphobema mesomelas</p><p>Avicularia minax (Thorell, 1894) →Grammostola doeringi</p><p>Avicularia muritelaria (Holmberg, 1876) →Kukulcani ahibernalis [Hentz, 1842]{Filistatidae}</p><p>Avicularia myodes → Plesiopelma myodes</p><p>Avicularia obscura → Ami obscura</p><p>Avicularia pallida → Aphonopelma pallidum</p><p>Avicularia palmicola (Mello-Leitão, 1945) →Iridopelma hirsutum</p><p>Avicularia panamensis → Sericopelma panamense</p><p>Avicularia parva → Catumiri parvum</p><p>Avicularia parvior → Lasiodora parvior</p><p>Avicularia pulchra (Mello-Leitão, 1933) andAvicularia recifiensis [Struchen & Brändle, 1996] → Pachistopelma rufonigrum</p><p>Avicularia regina (Chamberlin, 1917) →Homoeomma strabo</p><p>Avicularia rustica → Aphonopelma rusticum</p><p>Avicularia sabulosa → Brachypelma sabulosum</p><p>Avicularia saltator (Po****, 1903) →Eupalaestrus weijenberghi</p><p>Avicularia seemanni → Aphonopelma seemani</p><p>Avicularia seladonia → Typhochlaena seladonia</p><p>Avicularia serrata → Aphonopelma serratum</p><p>Avicularia smithi → Brachypelma smithi</p><p>Avicularia spinicrus → Citharacanthus spinicrus</p><p>Avicularia steindachneri → Aphonopelma steindachneri</p><p>Avicularia stoica → Aphonopelma stoicum</p><p>Avicularia tamaulipeca → Clavopelma tamaulipeca</p><p>Avicularia tripeppi → Nhandu tripeppi</p><p>Avicularia truncata → Aphonopelma truncatum</p><p>Avicularia vagans → Brachypelma vagans</p><p>Avicularia vellutina → Vitalius vellutinus</p><p>Avicularia violacea → Tapinauchenius violaceus</p><p>Avicularia wacketi → Vitalius wacketi</p><p>Avicularia zorodes → Iridopelma zorodes</p><p></p><p>Avicularia affinis (Nicolet, 1849) — ChileAvicularia ancylochira ( Mello-Leitão, 1923 ) — Brazil, the Peruvian Red Stripe Pinktoe, Peruvian Red And Black Pinktoe, Peruvian Monochromatic PinktoeAvicularia arabica ( Strand, 1908 ) — South America? [originally thought to be from Egypt]Avicularia aurantiaca (Bauer, 1996) — Peru, the Peruvian Cinammon Pinktoe, Peruvian Yellow Banded PinktoeAvicularia avicularia ( Linnaeus, 1758 ) — Costa Rica to Brazil, [northern range may begin in southern Mexico], the {French Guianese, Brazilian} Pinktoe, Common PinktoeAvicularia aymara (Chamberlin, 1916) — PeruAvicularia azuraklaasi (Tesmoingt, 1996) — Peru, the Peruvian Powder Blue PinktoeAvicularia bicegoi (Mello-Leitão, 1923) — Brazil, the Brazilian Brick Red PinktoeAvicularia braunshauseni (Tesmoingt, 1999) — Brazil, the Brazilian Goliath PinktoeAvicularia caesia (C. L. Koch, 1842) — Puerto RicoAvicularia cuminami (Mello-Leitão, 1930) — BrazilAvicularia detrita (C. L. Koch, 1842) — BrazilAvicularia diversipes (C. L. Koch, 1842) — Brazil, the [Brazilian] Amazon Sapphire PinktoeAvicularia doleschalli (Ausserer, 1871) — BrazilAvicularia exilis (Strand, 1907) — SurinameAvicularia fasciculata (Strand, 1907) — South AmericaAvicularia gamba (Bertani & Fukushima, 2009) — BrazilAvicularia geroldi (Tesmoingt, 1999) — Brazil, the Brazilian Blue Green PinktoeAvicularia glauca (Simon, 1891) — PanamaAvicularia gracilis (Keyserling, 1891) — BrazilAvicularia hirschii (Bullmer, Thierer-Lutz & Schmidt, 2006) — Ecuador, the Ecuadorian Black Stripe Pinktoe, Ecuadorian Black And Red Pinktoe, Ecuadorian Monochromatic Pinktoe, Ecuadorian Monochromatic Black Stripe PinktoeAvicularia hirsuta (Ausserer, 1875) — CubaAvicularia holmbergi (Thorell, 1890) — Guyane [French Guiana]Avicularia huriana (Tesmoingt, 1996) — Ecuador, the Ecuadorian Woolly PinktoeAvicularia juruensis (Mello-Leitão, 1923) — Brazil, the Brazilian Yellow Banded PinktoeAvicularia laeta (C. L. Koch, 1842) — Brazil, Puerto Rico, the Puerto Rican Pinktoe, Puerto Rican Cinammon PinktoeAvicularia leporina (C. L. Koch, 1841) — BrazilAvicularia metallica (Ausserer, 1875) — Suriname, French Guiana [Guyane], the{Surinamese} White ToeAvicularia minatrix (Po****, 1903) — Venezuela, the Venezuelan Red Stripe PinktoeAvicularia nigrotaeniata (Mello-Leitão, 1940) — GuyanaAvicularia ochracea (Perty, 1833) — BrazilAvicularia plantaris (C. L. Koch, 1842) — BrazilAvicularia purpurea (Kirk, 1990) — Ecuador, the Ecuadorian Purple PinktoeAvicularia rapax (Ausserer, 1875) — South AmericaAvicularia rickwesti (Bertani & Huff, 2013) — Dominican Republic, Rick West's Pinktoe, Dominican Republic PinktoeAvicularia rufa (Schiapelli & Gerschman, 1945) — BrazilAvicularia rutilans (Ausserer, 1875) — ColombiaAvicularia sooretama (Bertani & Fukushima, 2009) — Brazil, the Sooretama Reserve PinktoeAvicularia soratae (Strand, 1907) — BoliviaAvicularia subvulpina (Strand, 1906) — South AmericaAvicularia surinamensis (Strand, 1907) — SurinameAvicularia taunayi (Mello-Leitão, 1920) — BrazilAvicularia ulrichea (Tesmoingt, 1996) — BrazilAvicularia urticans (Schmidt, 1994) — Peru, the Peruvian Purple PinktoeAvicularia velutina (Simon, 1889) — Venezuela, Trinidad, the Trinidadian PinktoeAvicularia versicolor (Walckenaer, 1837) — Guadeloupe & Martinique, [Lesser Antilles], the Antillean PinktoeAvicularia walckenaeri (Perty, 1833) — Brazil, the Parahyba Scarlet Pinktoe, Brazilian Orange Toe</p><p></p><p>Above can be seen Avicularia specimens that were transferred from the genus to another,then the Avicularia genus as it stands now. Changes and reclassification is still underway,which may see specimens moved yet again to other genera or to Avicularia. These type of movements of specimens is not only seen in these,but also in other genera like Poecilotheria and more. Even if seen as Avicularia,you still see specimens with names like Avicularia Sp. Guyana which indicates they have not been fully classified and only the region is used within the name. Another example Avicularia Sp. Peru Purple,which people believe to possibly be Avicularia Urticans. Even the common Avicularia Avicularia, is under debate to which specimens in the hobby are an actual fact the true Avic Avic. Another huge problem is breeding incorrect specimens,not on purpose but due to the lack of knowledge and the classification of this genus specimens that has to be finalized. Even then,we could see a lot of the current ones not being the true specimen,due to breeding that has happened in the hobby from the start. </p><p></p><p>Another factor that equates into it,is collection of specimens in the wild by people not competent to do so but need to make a quick buck. Let's not adopt a holier than thou attitude, since if it wasn't for the illegal capture of specimens would we even have a hobby today to debate ? What does make me feel positive,due to the influx of specimens and captive breeding I hope the need for wild caught specimens will actually go down. Coming back to Avicularia,the best way in the future would be when they finally classify the specimens within the genus to look at the description closely and all relevant data and start breeding responsibly to rectify possible mishaps. I'm not saying destroy your current specimens if found to be accidental hybrids,but to let them live their natural lives to the fullest and just not breed them.</p><p></p><p>Avicularia is probably one of the most colorful genera and docile to have in any collection,they aren't defensive and would rather run and hide. At most,they'd use their famous POOP cannon as an alternative defense mechanism. They squirt excrement under pressure,might I add extremely accurate. Some specimens in the hobby,even with the current state of surety of what specimen you have can be identified,</p><p>- Avicularia versicolor </p><p>- Avicularia Purpurea </p><p>- Avicularia Laeta </p><p>and probably another few. They are distinct from sling size,and as adults. The Versi in my opinion,being the most beautiful of all Avicularia. The Laeta undoubtedly, the Avicularia with the most attitude. This specimen will not hesitate to show a threat posture,where as stated above others will run or use you as a POOP target practicing device. </p><p></p><p>When caring for Avicularia many will have their own ways of doing so,some will say a water dish and wet substrate. I have with all my specimens which are different ones,adopted a very different way of caring for them. I live in an area where temperatures will be between 27-32 degrees Celsius on a summer day sometimes higher,and in winter plummet to 0 degrees or even lower. I dampen the substrate and use no water bowl,I've not lost one specimen. I also adopted a different way of making my enclosures,going away from the norm. </p><p>- no water bowl</p><p>- dampen substrate</p><p>- not the the standard enclosure</p><p>- use a fan heater or air con to bring up or down ambient room temperature between 19-29 degrees Celsius. </p><p>So again,not a rule or law just a point of view. Making my enclosures I turn the container upside down,and use the lid as the area where substrate is added. I make ventilation holes for fresh air,but not too much to not dry out the substrate fast. I have examples of these, and will post photos(Link added below)</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.tarantulaforum.com/index.php?posts/22683" target="_blank">http://www.tarantulaforum.com/index.php?posts/22683</a></p><p></p><p> I believe doesn't matter who knows what,we learn new things each day and we adapt accordingly. They believed the earth was flat,you actually got in trouble believing otherwise and look today to where we have progressed due to people thinking outside the box and risking ideas. If you have something that works,no matter what others may say share it and improve on it. Many might like you to believe they are experts,in my opinion not many are. I will say this, you get better experienced hobbyists but they themselves can be proven wrong like the example of the Flat earth belief. So to sum this up,enjoy the genus Avicularia and until they finally classify the genus I think we all would wonder what we actually have. I will add some drawings of the spermatheca of the genus Avicularia(not my drawings, just examples),this also is an indication to a specimen. With reclassification,it will be fun to see what's published. </p><p></p><p>Spermatheca Avicularia</p><p>[ATTACH=full]6540[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]6541[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]6542[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]6543[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]6544[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]6545[/ATTACH]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Martin Oosthuysen, post: 31052, member: 1070"] Here I will just add some fun things and experiences and my personal view on the genus,my personal views aren't rules or laws but from a perspective of a normal hobbyist. Type species: Avicularia avicularia Transferred to other genera: Avicularia annulipes → Euoplos annulipes(Idiopidae) Avicularia anthracina → Grammostola antracina Avicularia aureoceps → Brachypelma aureoceps Avicularia bistriata → Ephebopus murinus Avicularia borelli → Grammostola borelli Avicularia brunnipes → Kochiana brunnipes Avicularia caniceps → Aphonopelma caniceps Avicularia conspersa → Rachias conspersus(Nemesiidae) Avicularia cyaneopubescens → Chromatopelma cyaneopubescens Avicularia deborrii (Becker, 1879) →Tapinauchenius plumipes Avicularia dubia → Vitalius dubius Avicularia duplex → Aphonopelma duplex Avicularia embrithes → Brachypelma embrithes Avicularia emilia → Brachypelma emilia Avicularia epicureana → Brachypelma epicureanum Avicularia geotoma → Aphonopelma geotoma Avicularia guyana → Eupalaestrus guyanus Avicularia hageni → Aphonopelma hageni Avicularia helluo → Aphonopelma helluo Avicularia hespera → Aphonopelma hesperum Avicularia imperatrix → Plesiopelma imperatrix Avicularia lanceolata → Aphonopelma lanceolatum Avicularia latens → Aphonopelma latens Avicularia magdalena (Karsch, 1879) →Hapalopus formosus Avicularia marxi → Aphonopelma marxi Avicularia mendozae → Grammostola mendozae Avicularia mesomelas → Megaphobema mesomelas Avicularia minax (Thorell, 1894) →Grammostola doeringi Avicularia muritelaria (Holmberg, 1876) →Kukulcani ahibernalis [Hentz, 1842]{Filistatidae} Avicularia myodes → Plesiopelma myodes Avicularia obscura → Ami obscura Avicularia pallida → Aphonopelma pallidum Avicularia palmicola (Mello-Leitão, 1945) →Iridopelma hirsutum Avicularia panamensis → Sericopelma panamense Avicularia parva → Catumiri parvum Avicularia parvior → Lasiodora parvior Avicularia pulchra (Mello-Leitão, 1933) andAvicularia recifiensis [Struchen & Brändle, 1996] → Pachistopelma rufonigrum Avicularia regina (Chamberlin, 1917) →Homoeomma strabo Avicularia rustica → Aphonopelma rusticum Avicularia sabulosa → Brachypelma sabulosum Avicularia saltator (Po****, 1903) →Eupalaestrus weijenberghi Avicularia seemanni → Aphonopelma seemani Avicularia seladonia → Typhochlaena seladonia Avicularia serrata → Aphonopelma serratum Avicularia smithi → Brachypelma smithi Avicularia spinicrus → Citharacanthus spinicrus Avicularia steindachneri → Aphonopelma steindachneri Avicularia stoica → Aphonopelma stoicum Avicularia tamaulipeca → Clavopelma tamaulipeca Avicularia tripeppi → Nhandu tripeppi Avicularia truncata → Aphonopelma truncatum Avicularia vagans → Brachypelma vagans Avicularia vellutina → Vitalius vellutinus Avicularia violacea → Tapinauchenius violaceus Avicularia wacketi → Vitalius wacketi Avicularia zorodes → Iridopelma zorodes Avicularia affinis (Nicolet, 1849) — ChileAvicularia ancylochira ( Mello-Leitão, 1923 ) — Brazil, the Peruvian Red Stripe Pinktoe, Peruvian Red And Black Pinktoe, Peruvian Monochromatic PinktoeAvicularia arabica ( Strand, 1908 ) — South America? [originally thought to be from Egypt]Avicularia aurantiaca (Bauer, 1996) — Peru, the Peruvian Cinammon Pinktoe, Peruvian Yellow Banded PinktoeAvicularia avicularia ( Linnaeus, 1758 ) — Costa Rica to Brazil, [northern range may begin in southern Mexico], the {French Guianese, Brazilian} Pinktoe, Common PinktoeAvicularia aymara (Chamberlin, 1916) — PeruAvicularia azuraklaasi (Tesmoingt, 1996) — Peru, the Peruvian Powder Blue PinktoeAvicularia bicegoi (Mello-Leitão, 1923) — Brazil, the Brazilian Brick Red PinktoeAvicularia braunshauseni (Tesmoingt, 1999) — Brazil, the Brazilian Goliath PinktoeAvicularia caesia (C. L. Koch, 1842) — Puerto RicoAvicularia cuminami (Mello-Leitão, 1930) — BrazilAvicularia detrita (C. L. Koch, 1842) — BrazilAvicularia diversipes (C. L. Koch, 1842) — Brazil, the [Brazilian] Amazon Sapphire PinktoeAvicularia doleschalli (Ausserer, 1871) — BrazilAvicularia exilis (Strand, 1907) — SurinameAvicularia fasciculata (Strand, 1907) — South AmericaAvicularia gamba (Bertani & Fukushima, 2009) — BrazilAvicularia geroldi (Tesmoingt, 1999) — Brazil, the Brazilian Blue Green PinktoeAvicularia glauca (Simon, 1891) — PanamaAvicularia gracilis (Keyserling, 1891) — BrazilAvicularia hirschii (Bullmer, Thierer-Lutz & Schmidt, 2006) — Ecuador, the Ecuadorian Black Stripe Pinktoe, Ecuadorian Black And Red Pinktoe, Ecuadorian Monochromatic Pinktoe, Ecuadorian Monochromatic Black Stripe PinktoeAvicularia hirsuta (Ausserer, 1875) — CubaAvicularia holmbergi (Thorell, 1890) — Guyane [French Guiana]Avicularia huriana (Tesmoingt, 1996) — Ecuador, the Ecuadorian Woolly PinktoeAvicularia juruensis (Mello-Leitão, 1923) — Brazil, the Brazilian Yellow Banded PinktoeAvicularia laeta (C. L. Koch, 1842) — Brazil, Puerto Rico, the Puerto Rican Pinktoe, Puerto Rican Cinammon PinktoeAvicularia leporina (C. L. Koch, 1841) — BrazilAvicularia metallica (Ausserer, 1875) — Suriname, French Guiana [Guyane], the{Surinamese} White ToeAvicularia minatrix (Po****, 1903) — Venezuela, the Venezuelan Red Stripe PinktoeAvicularia nigrotaeniata (Mello-Leitão, 1940) — GuyanaAvicularia ochracea (Perty, 1833) — BrazilAvicularia plantaris (C. L. Koch, 1842) — BrazilAvicularia purpurea (Kirk, 1990) — Ecuador, the Ecuadorian Purple PinktoeAvicularia rapax (Ausserer, 1875) — South AmericaAvicularia rickwesti (Bertani & Huff, 2013) — Dominican Republic, Rick West's Pinktoe, Dominican Republic PinktoeAvicularia rufa (Schiapelli & Gerschman, 1945) — BrazilAvicularia rutilans (Ausserer, 1875) — ColombiaAvicularia sooretama (Bertani & Fukushima, 2009) — Brazil, the Sooretama Reserve PinktoeAvicularia soratae (Strand, 1907) — BoliviaAvicularia subvulpina (Strand, 1906) — South AmericaAvicularia surinamensis (Strand, 1907) — SurinameAvicularia taunayi (Mello-Leitão, 1920) — BrazilAvicularia ulrichea (Tesmoingt, 1996) — BrazilAvicularia urticans (Schmidt, 1994) — Peru, the Peruvian Purple PinktoeAvicularia velutina (Simon, 1889) — Venezuela, Trinidad, the Trinidadian PinktoeAvicularia versicolor (Walckenaer, 1837) — Guadeloupe & Martinique, [Lesser Antilles], the Antillean PinktoeAvicularia walckenaeri (Perty, 1833) — Brazil, the Parahyba Scarlet Pinktoe, Brazilian Orange Toe Above can be seen Avicularia specimens that were transferred from the genus to another,then the Avicularia genus as it stands now. Changes and reclassification is still underway,which may see specimens moved yet again to other genera or to Avicularia. These type of movements of specimens is not only seen in these,but also in other genera like Poecilotheria and more. Even if seen as Avicularia,you still see specimens with names like Avicularia Sp. Guyana which indicates they have not been fully classified and only the region is used within the name. Another example Avicularia Sp. Peru Purple,which people believe to possibly be Avicularia Urticans. Even the common Avicularia Avicularia, is under debate to which specimens in the hobby are an actual fact the true Avic Avic. Another huge problem is breeding incorrect specimens,not on purpose but due to the lack of knowledge and the classification of this genus specimens that has to be finalized. Even then,we could see a lot of the current ones not being the true specimen,due to breeding that has happened in the hobby from the start. Another factor that equates into it,is collection of specimens in the wild by people not competent to do so but need to make a quick buck. Let's not adopt a holier than thou attitude, since if it wasn't for the illegal capture of specimens would we even have a hobby today to debate ? What does make me feel positive,due to the influx of specimens and captive breeding I hope the need for wild caught specimens will actually go down. Coming back to Avicularia,the best way in the future would be when they finally classify the specimens within the genus to look at the description closely and all relevant data and start breeding responsibly to rectify possible mishaps. I'm not saying destroy your current specimens if found to be accidental hybrids,but to let them live their natural lives to the fullest and just not breed them. Avicularia is probably one of the most colorful genera and docile to have in any collection,they aren't defensive and would rather run and hide. At most,they'd use their famous POOP cannon as an alternative defense mechanism. They squirt excrement under pressure,might I add extremely accurate. Some specimens in the hobby,even with the current state of surety of what specimen you have can be identified, - Avicularia versicolor - Avicularia Purpurea - Avicularia Laeta and probably another few. They are distinct from sling size,and as adults. The Versi in my opinion,being the most beautiful of all Avicularia. The Laeta undoubtedly, the Avicularia with the most attitude. This specimen will not hesitate to show a threat posture,where as stated above others will run or use you as a POOP target practicing device. When caring for Avicularia many will have their own ways of doing so,some will say a water dish and wet substrate. I have with all my specimens which are different ones,adopted a very different way of caring for them. I live in an area where temperatures will be between 27-32 degrees Celsius on a summer day sometimes higher,and in winter plummet to 0 degrees or even lower. I dampen the substrate and use no water bowl,I've not lost one specimen. I also adopted a different way of making my enclosures,going away from the norm. - no water bowl - dampen substrate - not the the standard enclosure - use a fan heater or air con to bring up or down ambient room temperature between 19-29 degrees Celsius. So again,not a rule or law just a point of view. Making my enclosures I turn the container upside down,and use the lid as the area where substrate is added. I make ventilation holes for fresh air,but not too much to not dry out the substrate fast. I have examples of these, and will post photos(Link added below) [url]http://www.tarantulaforum.com/index.php?posts/22683[/url] I believe doesn't matter who knows what,we learn new things each day and we adapt accordingly. They believed the earth was flat,you actually got in trouble believing otherwise and look today to where we have progressed due to people thinking outside the box and risking ideas. If you have something that works,no matter what others may say share it and improve on it. Many might like you to believe they are experts,in my opinion not many are. I will say this, you get better experienced hobbyists but they themselves can be proven wrong like the example of the Flat earth belief. So to sum this up,enjoy the genus Avicularia and until they finally classify the genus I think we all would wonder what we actually have. I will add some drawings of the spermatheca of the genus Avicularia(not my drawings, just examples),this also is an indication to a specimen. With reclassification,it will be fun to see what's published. Spermatheca Avicularia [ATTACH=full]6540[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]6541[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]6542[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]6543[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]6544[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]6545[/ATTACH] [/QUOTE]
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